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Michael says:
it is true
An Cat Dubh says:
Have you lived here?
An Cat Dubh says:
Have you studied the conflict?
Michael says:
my girlfriend is Jewish, been in Israel many's a time
Michael says:
My two uncles are experienced IRA men and have trained the PLO in combat
Michael says:
Yassar Arafat hang proudly on my wall
Michael says:
are you there
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes.
Michael says:
i dont mean to cause offence
Michael says:
are you the black cat?
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes.
Michael says:
i dont understand what is going on here
Michael says:
why are you interested in irish??????????????????????????/
Michael says:
first off
Michael says:
not that many irish people are interested in irish
An Cat Dubh says:
Heh...
An Cat Dubh says:
It's a beautiful language.
Michael says:
where do you live now?
An Cat Dubh says:
In Israel.
An Cat Dubh says:
Anyway, what does your girlfriend really know about the conflict?
Michael says:
she has lived in Israe;
An Cat Dubh says:
She might've been many times to Israel, but that doesn't mean much.
An Cat Dubh says:
So?
Michael says:
i meant lived
Michael says:
her family are Israeli
An Cat Dubh says:
If she lived in uptown Tel-Aviv, ignore her opinions.
Michael says:
here family are Israeli soldiers
An Cat Dubh says:
She knows nothing of the conflict.
Michael says:
she never lived there
Michael says:
if i can remember
Michael says:
it was right beside the Gaza
Michael says:
she is pro-israeli
Michael says:
I have a palestine flag tatoo'd to my back
An Cat Dubh says:
Oh Jesus...
Michael says:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Michael says:
I HAVE CAUGHT YOU OUT MO CHARA
An Cat Dubh says:
Lemme talk to her, I'll understand what she's getting wrong.
Michael says:
ISRAELI'S DONT SAY - OH JESUS
An Cat Dubh says:
I'm Israeli only by my ID card.
Michael says:
why what has she got wrong?
An Cat Dubh says:
Even when I speak Hebrew, people say I sound foreign.
Michael says:
do you speak hebrew?
Michael says:
ah right
An Cat Dubh says:
Of course. It's my mother tongue.
An Cat Dubh says:
I speak Hebrew and English at home.
Michael says:
what had my burd got wrong?
An Cat Dubh says:
Lemme talk to her and I'll know.
An Cat Dubh says:
Either her or you.
An Cat Dubh says:
OK, lemme ask you this:
An Cat Dubh says:
Let's assume the Israelis are indeed conquerors and all that.
An Cat Dubh says:
Why do they do it?
Michael says:
1946
An Cat Dubh says:
Wha?
Michael says:
hold n
Michael says:
hold on 2 secz
Michael says:
1947 thebn
Michael says:
onew year out
Michael says:
u there
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes.
An Cat Dubh says:
I still don't understand.
Michael says:
hold on
Michael says:
what time is it in israel
An Cat Dubh says:
11:20.
Michael says:
cool
Michael says:
what are you doing today?
An Cat Dubh says:
Nothing much.
Michael says:
you going to talk to me for a while?
Michael says:
are you male of female?
Michael says:
hello
An Cat Dubh says:
I'm male.
An Cat Dubh says:
Sorry.
Michael says:
have you ever been to ireland
An Cat Dubh says:
Nope.
Michael says:
so wheree did this love of all things irish come from?
An Cat Dubh says:
Music, probably.
Michael says:
music?????
Michael says:
what music????
Michael says:
you are very interesting
Michael says:
????
Michael says:
but very slow
An Cat Dubh says:
Heh, sorry...
Michael says:
dont worry lol
An Cat Dubh says:
What were you saying about 1947?
Michael says:
Israel founded its state on terrorism
Michael says:
in 1947
Michael says:
my palestinian brothers forced to flee their land
An Cat Dubh says:
Palestinian brothers?
Michael says:
yes
Michael says:
we (the Irish) and the Palestinians find brotherhood in our cause
Michael says:
Our cause against the British imperialists and their's against the Israeli's
An Cat Dubh says:
You don't know shit about Israel.
An Cat Dubh says:
I don't know what you learned from your sister or your terrorist relatives, but I highly suggest you shut the fuck up about things you don't understand.
Michael says:
my sister?>
An Cat Dubh says:
You sound like Ismail Haniye.
Michael says:
i dont have any sisters
An Cat Dubh says:
I meant girlfriend.
An Cat Dubh says:
Sorry.
An Cat Dubh says:
Nevertheless.
Michael says:
apology NOT accepted
Michael says:
you are rude
Michael says:
then why dont you tell me
An Cat Dubh says:
Well you are ignorant.
Michael says:
why i am wrong
An Cat Dubh says:
I don't even know where to start!
Michael says:
ok
Michael says:
lets look at it frok this angle
Michael says:
the recent violence
An Cat Dubh says:
What, the war in Gaza?
Michael says:
1000 Palestinians dead
Michael says:
what was it 20 Israeli's?
An Cat Dubh says:
Most of them terrorists.
Michael says:
Justufy that to me
Michael says:
"Most"
An Cat Dubh says:
8 years of constant rockets on Sderot.
Michael says:
how many were children?
An Cat Dubh says:
Justify THAT.
An Cat Dubh says:
I don't know.
Michael says:
you took the Palestinians land?
Michael says:
is that justification?
An Cat Dubh says:
Why don't you ask the Hamas men, who used them as HUMAN SHIELDS!
Michael says:
i want to learn
Michael says:
touche
Michael says:
could be true
An Cat Dubh says:
First of all, the vast majority of the lands before the War of Independence were BOUGHT.
Michael says:
BOUGHT
An Cat Dubh says:
YES!
Michael says:
you cannot buy someones country
An Cat Dubh says:
Bought with good money from the Arabs!
An Cat Dubh says:
No, they bought LANDS.
Michael says:
then they arabs deserve to be shot
An Cat Dubh says:
All of Hadera, for instance, was BOUGHT.
Michael says:
aye for cattle
An Cat Dubh says:
It was infested with swamps and malaria, but the Jews bought it because they liked the view.
Michael says:
this is lies?
An Cat Dubh says:
No.
An Cat Dubh says:
Jews really are that stupid.
Michael says:
israeli's dont use the term jews
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes they do.
Michael says:
Jews is a not nice term
Michael says:
whats thw wword
An Cat Dubh says:
Jew is percise.
Michael says:
derogatory
An Cat Dubh says:
No it isn't.
An Cat Dubh says:
Yid is. Kike is. Jew isn't.
Michael says:
my burd says it is
Michael says:
because i say jew all the time and she gives off
An Cat Dubh says:
I've no idea what's wrong with her, then. Ask anyone in Israel.
Michael says:
Yid Army = Tottenham Hotsputr
An Cat Dubh says:
Look.
Michael says:
even i know its derogatory
Michael says:
carry on
An Cat Dubh says:
Most of the lands here before 1947 were BOUGHT.
An Cat Dubh says:
Some of them were cheated out of their lands, that's true.
An Cat Dubh says:
But the vast majority was BOUGHT.
Michael says:
ok i belive you - but you cannot just buy someones's country
An Cat Dubh says:
No, you buy the lands from the rich lords who own them.
An Cat Dubh says:
And re-read history.
An Cat Dubh says:
There was no 'Palestine' before the Jews came here.
Michael says:
what if the top-jew sold israel now to the (say the Irish) and we popped over and told you's all to fuck off because our leader Paddy and Mick had just bought it
An Cat Dubh says:
This territory was divided between Jordan, Syria, and Egypt.
An Cat Dubh says:
He can't.
An Cat Dubh says:
He doesn't OWN the lands.
Michael says:
but who lived in these lands before you bought them?
Michael says:
palestinians?
An Cat Dubh says:
Some Arabs. Not that many.
Michael says:
are they now called palestinians?
An Cat Dubh says:
Lots of them came because the Jews gave them work.
An Cat Dubh says:
They invented themselves, pretty much.
Michael says:
so what is the area we call palestine nowadays (and dont tell me it doesnt exist because that is what my burd says)
An Cat Dubh says:
They saw that becoming a part of Syria is not gonna happen, so they invented some other identity.
An Cat Dubh says:
Who's 'we'?
An Cat Dubh says:
If you're from the Hamas, you'll say it's all of Israel.
Michael says:
when i said we i meant the world in general
An Cat Dubh says:
It varies on your point of view.
Michael says:
naw i didnt mean hamas
Michael says:
see the area that Hamas control now - what is it?
An Cat Dubh says:
Basically, it means independent territories the people who refer to themselves as Palestinians rule.
An Cat Dubh says:
The Gaza strip.
Michael says:
yea
An Cat Dubh says:
Fath rules the West Bank.
Michael says:
and do the israeli's claim it?
An Cat Dubh says:
No.
Michael says:
do they want it?
An Cat Dubh says:
Certainly not.
An Cat Dubh says:
No-one does.
Michael says:
are the palestinians forced to live in refugee camps?
An Cat Dubh says:
When Israel signed the peace treaty with Egypt, they wanted to give it to A-Sadat, but he didn't want it.
An Cat Dubh says:
Some are.
Michael says:
see as you are israeli- do you support wholehartedly the israeli's and detest the palestinians?
An Cat Dubh says:
Certainly not.
An Cat Dubh says:
I hate Israel.
Michael says:
do you have any sympathy for the palestinians?
An Cat Dubh says:
But I hate demagogy and stupidity even more.
An Cat Dubh says:
Little.
An Cat Dubh says:
They got stuck between the hammer and the anvil with two idiot leaderships.
Michael says:
sorry got d/c there
An Cat Dubh says:
It's alright.
Michael says:
have the palestinians been thrown out of any land?
An Cat Dubh says:
Israel tries to give them humanitarian support.
Michael says:
can you see from our point of view it doesnt look like it
Michael says:
see especially in the west after the recent bout of violence
Michael says:
it looked extremly bad for the israeli side
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes, but it was for security reasons. Israel needed the territorial continuity in order not to get eradicated in the War of Independence.
An Cat Dubh says:
They don't understand shit about the conflict. They have no right to talk.
Michael says:
but when you evict people from their lands
Michael says:
you must expect a backdraft
An Cat Dubh says:
Many of them ran away.
An Cat Dubh says:
No-one told them to run away.
Michael says:
we were evicted from our land in ireland
An Cat Dubh says:
They just decided to run off with the keys to their home.
Michael says:
and we fought for 800 years against the British
An Cat Dubh says:
But the UK conquered Ireland out of greed.
An Cat Dubh says:
Did Britain buy the lands it settled in?
Michael says:
that may be the case
Michael says:
but does that really make a difference to the people that were concquered
Michael says:
???
An Cat Dubh says:
If they settled there legitimately, buying lands and getting citizenship or whatever, then your whole battle against them was unjustified from the beginning.
An Cat Dubh says:
And of course it makes a difference.
Michael says:
but you didnt buy the lands individually
Michael says:
you bought it of one rich crook
Michael says:
who didnt care for his people
An Cat Dubh says:
Maybe I should sell my house to someone and then fight him out!
An Cat Dubh says:
He owned the land.
An Cat Dubh says:
He had the right to do with his lands as he pleases.
An Cat Dubh says:
He was not a crook.
An Cat Dubh says:
And it was NOT ONE PERSON.
Michael says:
but i dont think you care enough for the peasant palestiniabns
Michael says:
RIGHT 2 SECONDS
An Cat Dubh says:
It was many landlords living in Syria, Lebanon, &c., with many vassal locals.
Michael says:
i am in my uni library and i need a smoke
Michael says:
ill brb in 5 mins
Michael says:
ok?
Michael says:
??
An Cat Dubh says:
Sure.
An Cat Dubh says:
Israel had to get the Arabs out of their lands.
An Cat Dubh says:
Let's see you trying to defend a gajillion isolated settlements throughout the country.
An Cat Dubh says:
The thing is, Israel is stupid.
An Cat Dubh says:
It doesn't try to kill civilians and all, it just uses bad planning and all.
An Cat Dubh says:
For instance: Remember when Israel bombed that UNRWA school?
An Cat Dubh says:
It was because the pilot's GPS was fucked-up, and he thought the rockets that were fired from a nearby house were fired from it.
An Cat Dubh says:
Or when that woman and her two children were shot to death?
An Cat Dubh says:
That was because there was some stupid regulation that anyone who enters a certain territory is to be shot.
An Cat Dubh says:
(And that's assuming the story wasn't made up for propaganda.)
An Cat Dubh says:
On the other hand, they also said that unarmed people should not be shot (something like that), so terrorists shot from windows and ped their weapons, and had to be spared.
Michael says:
yes
Michael says:
it seems to me that Israel make things very bad for themselves
An Cat Dubh says:
I heard a woman talking about her soldier's son's experience during the war.
Michael says:
as in propaganda wise
An Cat Dubh says:
She said that in the only time he shared anything with her, he asked her, 'Mum, is an old lady with a hand grenade considered a civilian?'
An Cat Dubh says:
They get humanitarian support from Israel. Whole truckloads of food.
Michael says:
they have to ask themselves - why does an olda lady feel the need to have a hand grenade
An Cat Dubh says:
But the Hamas people shoot the drivers.
An Cat Dubh says:
Because she got BRAINWASHED!
An Cat Dubh says:
Don't you get it?!
Michael says:
i dont belive she was brainwashed
An Cat Dubh says:
Hamas is a terrorist regime.
An Cat Dubh says:
It's like Nazi Germany with a religious spice.
Michael says:
one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter
Michael says:
is the old saying
An Cat Dubh says:
Well, there's a limit to what you can do for freedom.
An Cat Dubh says:
Bombing Omagh, for instance, is wrong.
Michael says:
do you think there can ever be peace
Michael says:
yes
Michael says:
very wrong
Michael says:
extremly disgusting
An Cat Dubh says:
So why is bombing Sbarro in Jerusalem right?
Michael says:
i am not saying it was
An Cat Dubh says:
Why is bombing Sderot for eight years straight right?
Michael says:
But Omagh - you have not heard the full story
An Cat Dubh says:
And WHY THE FUCK TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE TERRORISTS WHO DO IT RIGHT?
An Cat Dubh says:
Look.
Michael says:
the Britsh shepperded people into the bomb in omagh
An Cat Dubh says:
Whether or not the people who refer to themselves as Palestinians are really a people is irrelevant. They have their own culture now, a dialect of their own, all that.
An Cat Dubh says:
So they are a people.
An Cat Dubh says:
They deserve their independence.
An Cat Dubh says:
The question is not the what, it's the /how/.
Michael says:
so can they be given full control of th west bank?
Michael says:
and a wee bit more
Michael says:
then left alone
An Cat Dubh says:
They pretty much do.
Michael says:
yeah but officially
An Cat Dubh says:
The West Bank is relatively peaceful.
Michael says:
can i ask one unrelated question?
An Cat Dubh says:
They understand that if they try to bomb Israel, Israel will fuck them.
An Cat Dubh says:
So Israel tries to stop the few morons who try to explode in Israel from the West Bank, but the general public understood, though with rage, that the Gaza strip people pretty much brought it upon themselves when they bombed Israel for EIGHT YEARS.
An Cat Dubh says:
Ask.
Michael says:
As a non-jewish person living in israel - do you eat porn etc?
Michael says:
**pork
Michael says:
compeltly wrong word came out there
An Cat Dubh says:
Sure. Prosciutto's delicious.
Michael says:
my girlfriend is a vegetarian as well so she cant be taken seriously
Michael says:
and is it easy to get pork?
An Cat Dubh says:
Depends where.
An Cat Dubh says:
But I've been told it's not nearly as good as the European pork, because they're breeded with a different diet.
Michael says:
and do you eat mussels etc?
Michael says:
oysters?
An Cat Dubh says:
Yum.
Michael says:
Michael says:
she is a veggie - eats fish - but doesnt touch the shellfish for obvious reasons
An Cat Dubh says:
Heh...
An Cat Dubh says:
I have a question for you:
Michael says:
go ahead
An Cat Dubh says:
Israel is being condemned for putting Gaza and the West Bank under seige.
An Cat Dubh says:
But the West Bank shares a border with Jordan, and the Gaza Strip shares a border with Egypt.
An Cat Dubh says:
Why aren't those borders open?
Michael says:
do they not want anything to do with the palestinians
An Cat Dubh says:
Why don't they?
Michael says:
they dont want to annoy Israel - as Israel are ruthless and will bomb anyone who gets in their way - just a suggestionb
An Cat Dubh says:
Nonsense.
Michael says:
i havnt heard that anywhere, just my own guess
Michael says:
then why?
An Cat Dubh says:
Israel would be glad to get the Palestinians off its back.
An Cat Dubh says:
The problem is that the Palestinians are nothing but trouble.
Michael says:
then why dont they give the palestinians land
Michael says:
not all obviously
An Cat Dubh says:
Of course not all of them.
Michael says:
but a bit- so they can be their own proper country
Michael says:
and maybe have a chance to live in peace
Michael says:
i know for a fac tif this happened
Michael says:
Israel would have to pump billions into the palestinian economy
An Cat Dubh says:
Why would they?
Michael says:
it is what happned
Michael says:
who do you think keeps the Irish economy alive
An Cat Dubh says:
The EU?
Michael says:
Britian pupm in something like 5 billion a year
Michael says:
*pump
Michael says:
it doesn not heal the death, torture and destruction they have caused
Michael says:
and never will
An Cat Dubh says:
I see.
An Cat Dubh says:
But if the Gaza strip and West Bank become part of other countries, would Israel still have to compensate them?
Michael says:
not sure
Michael says:
but i dont think that will happen
An Cat Dubh says:
So it's either that there's a new Palestinian state that Israel has to compensate, or the Palestinian territories get absorbed in the Arab countries around them and Israel doesn't necessarily have to compensate them.
An Cat Dubh says:
Which solution does Israel support?
Michael says:
the latter
Michael says:
but that wont happen
An Cat Dubh says:
Guess what?
An Cat Dubh says:
They support the former.
An Cat Dubh says:
(Except for a few loons who support Israel getting control of these territories.)
Michael says:
hold on
Michael says:
what does latter mean?
Michael says:
the last one?
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes.
Michael says:
and former means the last one?
An Cat Dubh says:
When you say two things, former is the first, latter is the second.
An Cat Dubh says:
Most Israeli leaders nowadays support a two state solution.
Michael says:
so you say that israel support "a new Palestinian state that Israel has to compensate"
An Cat Dubh says:
I didn't know so far it will have to compensate them.
Michael says:
i am not saying for definate that they will
An Cat Dubh says:
*definite
Michael says:
aye
An Cat Dubh says:
That's what most people support.
An Cat Dubh says:
Some support a two-people state, like Belgium.
An Cat Dubh says:
Some support Israel governing the Gaza Strip and the West Bank as its own territories.
An Cat Dubh says:
But the former are daydreaming left-wingers or Arabs, and the latter are day-dreaming fanatics.
An Cat Dubh says:
(They're a minority in the parliament, but they're in the /unstable/ coalition.)
Michael says:
ah right
An Cat Dubh says:
The current PM is known for being right-winged, but in his previous term he was even more generous than other left-wing leaders, like Peres and Rabin.
An Cat Dubh says:
He gave them Hebron.
Michael says:
you are getting into territory that i know not a lot about
Michael says:
what is Hebron?
An Cat Dubh says:
It's a city in Israel that is sacred for the Jews.
An Cat Dubh says:
Mostly Arabs live there, but there are some fanatic Jews who live there too.
An Cat Dubh says:
(I've heard contradictory stories about how well they get along.)
Michael says:
166,000 Palestinians,[1] and over 500 Israelis
Michael says:
hell of a lot more palestinians
An Cat Dubh says:
That's true.
Michael says:
i still cant get over that you have an interest in gaeilge
An Cat Dubh says:
Michael says:
like seriously man
Michael says:
there must only be about 100.000 people in ireland speak it
Michael says:
about 2/3% of the population
An Cat Dubh says:
Do you speak it fluently?
Michael says:
yeah
Michael says:
basically
An Cat Dubh says:
Can you read a book in it?
Michael says:
yea
An Cat Dubh says:
Anyway, is there anything else you'd like to ask me about Israel and the conflict?
Michael says:
what do yuo think of the Irish-Palestine connection?
An Cat Dubh says:
That it's retarded.
An Cat Dubh says:
It's based on ignorance.
Michael says:
but it is a physical relationship
Michael says:
not just forged in sum pub in belfast
An Cat Dubh says:
While the UK did what it did out of greed, Israel did what it did out of being haunted, and in much more justified means.
Michael says:
i think a lot of people thought it was hirrible what happend to the jews in WW2 but that a lot of the sympathy has been lost over palestine
An Cat Dubh says:
Hah!
An Cat Dubh says:
Not just during WWII.
An Cat Dubh says:
There were pogroms, lynches, discrimination...
Michael says:
i know
Michael says:
kristallnacht
Michael says:
sorry
Michael says:
that was WW"
Michael says:
WW2
An Cat Dubh says:
Do you know why Japan won the Russo-Japanese war?
Michael says:
was that over Manchuria?
An Cat Dubh says:
I asked if you know why it /won/.
An Cat Dubh says:
And no, it was over some islands between them, if I remember correctly. Manchuria was part of China.
Michael says:
i cant remember?
An Cat Dubh says:
Because a Jew named Ya'akov Schiff funded the war for the Japanese.
An Cat Dubh says:
He gave them hundreds of millions of dollars so they could fight.
An Cat Dubh says:
And he asked for many loans from all over the world to help them.
An Cat Dubh says:
You know why he did that?
An Cat Dubh says:
Because he was a survivor of a pogrom in Russia.
An Cat Dubh says:
He hated Russia.
An Cat Dubh says:
There were many forms of Zionism when it started.
Michael says:
Karl Marx was jewish also
An Cat Dubh says:
In Western Europe, the common one supported getting support from all countries around.
An Cat Dubh says:
The one popular in Eastern Europe supported actively going to settle in Israel, not waiting for consent.
An Cat Dubh says:
You know why?
An Cat Dubh says:
Because they lynched them like maniacs there.
An Cat Dubh says:
And no, he wasn't Jewish.
An Cat Dubh says:
Karl Marx's grandfather was Jewish, if I remember correctly, but Marx himself wasn't.
Michael says:
u sure?
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes.
An Cat Dubh says:
You have much to learn...
An Cat Dubh says:
And a tattoo to get off your back.
An Cat Dubh says:
Would you mind if this went on my blog?
Michael says:
i was only joking about the tatoo
Michael says:
but i do have numerous flags
An Cat Dubh says:
Then you have flags to take off.
Michael says:
what blog?
An Cat Dubh says:
And Yasir Arafat, by the way, was a hypocrite.
An Cat Dubh says:
He said he supports peace and all that one time, and the next week he said he's willing to be a shahid.
An Cat Dubh says:
http://israblog.co.il/573275
Michael says:
yea work away stick it on
An Cat Dubh says:
^^
Michael says:
wah
An Cat Dubh says:
Well, I suppose you got your perspective changed a bit, right?
An Cat Dubh says:
Now you'll think twice before supporting those fanatic Muslim terrorists.
Michael says:
well not changed
Michael says:
fundamentlayy i still support the Palestinians
Michael says:
and belive that they have been wronged
An Cat Dubh says:
Yes, they have.
An Cat Dubh says:
But keep in mind by whom and why.
Michael says:
yes by their former leaders
Michael says:
but also by the israelis
An Cat Dubh says:
By the /Israeli government/. By the /Israeli army/.
Michael says:
both
An Cat Dubh says:
And don't forget that they had no harmful intentions.
Michael says:
government sanctions - soldiers carry out
An Cat Dubh says:
Unlike the crap they sell you, Israel doesn't want to do genocide.
An Cat Dubh says:
In the last Lebanon war, the investigation committee said that the fuck-ups were the army's leaders' fault, and that Olmert's functioning was 'reasonable'.
An Cat Dubh says:
Make the separation.
An Cat Dubh says:
Listen.
An Cat Dubh says:
Egypt has pubs open at nights.
An Cat Dubh says:
In Jordan, homosexuality is legal.
An Cat Dubh says:
They're both liberal enough not to want these extremists in their countries.
An Cat Dubh says:
When the Australian PM says that the Muslims should either choose to accept liberalism or GTFO, it's considered legitimate, but when Israel does that? Fay fay fay racists!
An Cat Dubh says:
(And it doesn't even say that explicitly!)
Michael says:
i know where u r comeing from
An Cat Dubh says:
Huh?
Michael says:
brb
Michael says:
yo back
An Cat Dubh says:
Welcome back.
An Cat Dubh says:
So, you were saying?
An Cat Dubh says:
?
Michael says:
just that Israel is a major power compared to Palestine and it is obvious who people are going to lend support to
An Cat Dubh says:
The powerful one?
Michael says:
yup
An Cat Dubh says:
That was the case before Israel got independence...
An Cat Dubh says:
Britain originally supported the Jews, but when it saw the Arabs are rioting?
An Cat Dubh says:
*...
An Cat Dubh says:
The Jews tried to show they were the more mature people, not to 'sink down to their level'.
An Cat Dubh says:
So the british thought the Jews are weaker, and they should support the Arabs.
An Cat Dubh says:
(Not all Jews thought so; Zeev Jabotinsky, for instance, thought the Arabs should be struck powerfully so they'd understand the Jews can fight back, but they were a minority.)
Michael says:
that is very extreme
An Cat Dubh says:
That's not extreme.
An Cat Dubh says:
How would a normal country react when suddenly it's attacked by a swarm of angry Arabs who burn houses, kill and wound people, and just go berserk?
An Cat Dubh says:
They burned the house of S. Y. Agnon with all the manuscripts he kept in there.
An Cat Dubh says:
They killed Y. Kh. Brener, one of the most influential writers here.
Michael says:
but how long has israel been a country?
An Cat Dubh says:
What Jabotinsky said was that they shouldn't get away with it.
An Cat Dubh says:
I'm talking now about 1921.
An Cat Dubh says:
Israel was founded in 1948.
Michael says:
i am getting out of my depth here
An Cat Dubh says:
Huh?
Michael says:
i am not sure i can debate much longer
Michael says:
i dont know wnough
Michael says:
*enough
An Cat Dubh says:
Well, at least you know more.
An Cat Dubh says:
Your opinions can be a bit more balanced now.
Michael says:
aye a certainly do
An Cat Dubh says:
Good.
Michael says:
what age r u?
An Cat Dubh says:
17.
An Cat Dubh says:
I once spoke to someone from South Africa, and he told me Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.
An Cat Dubh says:
That he was the leader of a terrorist group which killed hundreds of white people.
Michael says:
he musta been apartheid
An Cat Dubh says:
Nono, he had nothing against 'coconuts'.
Michael says:
what?
An Cat Dubh says:
Black people who act white.
An Cat Dubh says:
(Because black people who don't act white rape lesbians to 'cure' them.)
Michael says:
what are you talking about?
An Cat Dubh says:
Many lesbians in SA get raped for being lesbians in order to 'cure' them, to make them 'real women'.
An Cat Dubh says:
(That is, women who cook, clean, &c.)
Michael says:
thats nothing to do with colour
An Cat Dubh says:
No, it has something to do with culture.
An Cat Dubh says:
Read this:
An Cat Dubh says:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1007/igbinediono.html
An Cat Dubh says:
Tolerance has a limit.
An Cat Dubh says:
I find it wiser to support the democratic, liberal, secular people, instead of the dictatoral, conservative, fanatically religious people.
Michael says:
i prefer to leave all religion out when arguments over land happen
An Cat Dubh says:
(Hamas are dictators. They were elected, true, but that's because they eliminated the Fath people in the Gaa strip.)
An Cat Dubh says:
*Gaza
An Cat Dubh says:
The Hamas people who were caught by Israel said that their methods of interrogation struck them as exceptionally kind.
An Cat Dubh says:
*The Fath people
Michael says:
butt 1000 were murdered
Michael says:
compared to how many israelis?
An Cat Dubh says:
Not murdered.
An Cat Dubh says:
Oh so many.
An Cat Dubh says:
Kills by rockets, trauma-struck...
Michael says:
how many?
An Cat Dubh says:
Never counted.
An Cat Dubh says:
But that's an absurd question.
An Cat Dubh says:
Israel was more able to stay safe, so it did it.
An Cat Dubh says:
So what, you want the Palestinians to start killing tonnes of Israeli soldiers to make it even?
Michael says:
thats not what i said was it?
An Cat Dubh says:
I have to go.
Michael says:
go where
Michael says:
go poddy?
ProbaAn Cat Dubh says:
>_>
An Cat Dubh says:
Bye.
Unum diem...
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